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Edgar James Hall

Edgar James Hall was born on 6 Nov 18891 to John Hawkins and Lillie May Coghill.2 His parents met in St. Louis where his mother was living.

Lillie and Edgar
In fact, they were not living too far from each other.3 John was living with his parents whom he had sent for from Devonport, Devon, England.4 John had come to the United States the family story says to be in the Worlds Fair. This theory has never been proven.5

John became ill and died on 4 August 1892.6 Edgar barely remembered his father since he was a small boy when he died. Lillie was on her own and supported herself. In 1893, there is no mention of her in the St Louis City Directory so she is probably living with a family member and not head of a household. In 1894 Lillie is working as a Steno at the Candy Brothers Store7 but in 1895 and 1896 she has changed her occupation to a steno at the Ober Nester Glass Co. She is living at 4435 W. Bell Place in St. Louis.8 It is not known where she is in 1897. Edgar has a lot of associations with his cousins, the children of Lillie's two sister.9 Lillie's parents had already passed away.10

Alvin, son of Mary Jane; probably Robert, son of Fanny; Edgar, son of Lillie

Lillie meets James Truett Hall probably in St. Louis. James T had been living in Old Mexico although he was born and reared in Quincy, Adams, Illinois. He was born about 1867-1868.11 It is not known of the circumstances of their meeting, although James T had an uncle, Aaron Hall,12 and several brothers living in St. Louis and St. Joseph, Missouri at the time.12 Lilly and James T. were married 18 January 1899.13 Mention of the marriage was in the Quincy Daily Journal when James T's sister, Edith, who was about 3 years younger than James, planned to attend.14 They were married by Rev. Daniel M. Fish, K.D, pastor of Compton Hill Congregational Church.

Miss Edith Hall, of North Sixth street, left this morning for St. Louis, where tomorrow night at 8'o'clock at the residence of Mrs. L. Scott will occur the marriage of the latter's sister, Mrs. L. M. Hawkins, to Mr. James T. Hall, of Old Mexico. Mr. Leslie Hall, of St. Joseph, Missouri, until recently of this city, will also attend the wedding of his brother. The friends of Mr. Hall extend congratulations and best wishes for his future happiness."

A child, James Everett Hall, was born to Lillie and James T on 31 August 1901 in Quincy. It is not known if they were living in Old Mexico at the time although Everett was born in Quincy. Many times James T. Hall and Lillie went to Quincy to visit his family. Often James T would go back to Mexico and Lillie would stay in Quincy for a month or two. This may have happened when James Everett was born. However, James Everett died 28 February 1902 of mengitis and was buried in El Paso, Texas. The death certificate states their last residence was Nacasario, Mexico.15

Edgar lived with his parents, James T. Hall and Lillie, in old Mexico where James T. worked in the mining business. Edgar was sent to a Mexican academy to go to school. There he learned to speak Spanish even better than some Mexican people. While he was going to the Mexican Academy he went to school with Lewis W. Douglas who was later in 1947 to become an American Ambassador to the United Kingdom. They were good friends.16

Burro Mountain
Around 1910 James T is working as Superintendent of Burro mine in Tyron, New Mexico.17 James T was given a tip by one of the "big shots" of the PHelps Dodge Corporation who may have been Jimmy Douglas. Jimmy Douglas told him to buy mining stock. James T. had $5,000.00 and with the persuasion of Lillie and Edgar, he invested the entire money in the stock. Lillie was very persuasive and got her way most of the time. This stock went way up and when James T cashed it in, he got $100,000 for it so the story goes.18

An interesting story is found in The Quincy Daily Whig on 7 December 1901. James T's brother, Louis, had been working with him in the mine and reports the following:19

He Has Accepted a Position With the Quincy Engine Company
Lew Hall, who returned from Mexico a short time ago, has decided to remain in Quincy, and has accepted a positon with the Quincy Engine company. Mr. Hall is a machinist, and, as stated in the Whig the other day, was master mechanic of the Montazuma ming company at Nacazara, Mexico. He was drawing a big alary, but did not like the country. His brother, James Hall, is superintendent of the mines, and draws a salary 'way up in the thousands'. Lew Hall says a man might as well be buried allive as stay down in those mining camps, and adds that there is no town like Quincy, after all."

The relationship between Edgar and James T must have been very good. James T treated Edgar as his own son. On 19 August 1910 James T adopts Edgar.20 Edgar is much older than expected for an adoption to take place. The family story says it was for business reasons since James T. had no living children for an heir.

The adoption stated:

"It is thereupon by the Court ordered, adjudged and decreed that the said Edgar James Hawkins be and is hereby lawfully adopted by the said James T. Hall as the son and heir of the said James T. Hall and Lillie M. Hall, his wife, as though he were in fact the son and heir of the said James T. Hall and Lillie M. Hall, his wife; that the said child is now and henceforth take the name of Edgar James Hall and to be known by said name, and that he be, and he is hereby authorized and empowered to use as his own name the name of Edgar James Hall, and from this date and at all the times hereafter to be regarded and treated in all respects as the child and heir of the said James T. Hall and Lillie M. Hall."

By 1920 James T bought 3 farms each 320 acres in the Rio Grande Valley between Las Cruses, New Mexico and El Paso, Texas. One of the farms was in Vinton, Texas. He also bought another place across highway from the new home and started a dairy.21 Edgar came to this area in Anthony, New Mexico to take care of one of the farms and start it into production. This is when he met Bessie May Lipps.

Bessie was only 16 years old and was working as a telephone operator in Anthony, New Mexico. They were married 15 May 1912.22

They had three boys,
James Oscar named for his grandfather and born on 16 Mar 1913, William Crane born 22 Apr 1917 and Edgar James II called Ginger born 16 Oct 1920.

Edgar made a visit back to Quincy, Illinois in 1916. Mention of this was in The Quincy Daily Journal23

"Mrs. Lydia Hall and family, of 1515 North Fifth street, enjoyed a brief visit his week rom her grandson, Edgar Hall who owns large ranch near Columbus, New Mexico. Mr. Hall gave a very interesting account of the recent raid at Columbus by Villa and his followers. On account of the dangerous conditions there, Mr Hall has sent his wife and baby away, but he will remain on his ranch. He came North to buy cattle. He is a son of James T. Hall, who formerly lived here, and is exgtensively engaged in the ranch business, and also has large mining interest."
Edgar, Bessie and Jim may have been living Mexico in 1916.. Edgar did work in the mine in Santa Barbara, Chihuahua with his father. Edgar probably took his little family back to the homes in the Rio Grande Valley, most likely Vinton.

An interesting article about the raid at Columbus: Newspaper Article on Attack of Columbus

Edgar J Hall WWI Draft Registration
Edgar joined the US Army and was a corporal in the 315th Infantry Supply Trains at Camp Travis, Texas. He was honorably discharged on 5 April 1918 in San Antonio, Texas because he had dependents to care for.24 After the discharge Edgar and his family went to Long Beach, California where he worked in the shipyards. World War I was still going on.25

When Edgar went to Santa Barbara in Chihuahua, Mexico to work in the mine, he first came by himself and then Bessie, Jim and Bill came later. When Edgar went down the company sent a big limousine to Juarez to pick him and several other men up who were going to work there. They had a colored man who was the chauffeur. Just before

Edgar J Hall's passort to Mexico 1920
they got to the town in Chihuahua, Poncho Villa was raiding the town and trying to take it over. The Federalist had the town prior to this. Poncho Villa captured the car with Edgar and the men in it. Edgar had just gotten out of the army and had his army hat and army shirt on. Poncho Villa was going to shoot them for being spies but Edgar who spoke fluent Spanish talked to Poncho Villa and told them what they were doing. Poncho Villa then turned them all lose. He saved their lives. While they were driving on the outskirts of Chihuahua there were dead people on both sides of the highway who had been in the battle with Poncho Villa.

After awhile the family then went back to El Paso, Texas and later moved to Vinton, Texas where Edgar ran the dairy farm for his father for a short time.26

James T had retired while living in Vinton, Texas.27 He was building his home in Vinton, Texas, when he climbed to the roof to give the Mexican helpers instructions and accidentlly fell off. He eventually died 1 September 1925 from lung cancer, which the family feels started from the fall. His death certificate stated he was a rancher, born in Quincy, Illinois. The names of his parents are Moses Hall and Mary Truett. The cause of death was from lung cancer but the only test given was an x-ray. Edgar Hall, his adopted son, living in Ajo, Arizona gave the information on the certificate. He was buried in El Paso, Texas.28 Later it was found that his mother's name is Lydia Amanda Worley. His father's name is Moses Syre Hall and his maternal grandparents are Jacob Worley and Elizabeth Truitt.29

After working on the dairy, Edgar moved his family to Ajo, Arizona. Edgar worked in the Phelps Dodge Copper mine and became a foreman in the mill.30 Times became rough during the depression. The mining company decided to lay everyone off. A few of the men got to work. Edgar was kept on and was told he could work for 3 months at his regular salary and then be laid off for 3 months. Edgar was proud or something and decided he didnít want to stay in Ajo and work. He wrote Lewis Douglas who had a big interest in Phelps Dodge. Lewis Douglas wrote him back and told him he could go to Jerome, Arizona where he could put him to work in the mill. The family left Ajo and started toward Jerome and got as far as Wickenburg, Arizona. According to his son, James Oscar, Edgar was quite a drinker in those days and he got hold of a bottle of booze and started drinking. The outcome of it was Edgar rented or leased a little service station and restaurant. They stayed in Wickenburg for about a year.31

Because times were so bad Edgar and Bessie decided to go separate ways for a while in order to get food on the table. Bessie went to Tucson and stayed with Grace Gibson. She got very sick. She couldnít get the right medical treatment so somehow Grace got her into the Los Angeles County Hospital in California. She had phlebitis and was packed in ice from her hips down. At that time they didnít know how to treat that kind of ailment. She was there for a few months. The nurse took Bessie outside in a wheel chair and she caught pneumonia. She died on 21 October 1933 from pneumonia.32

A letter Bessie wrote while in the hospital:33

"July 4, 1933
Dear Mom,
You will probably get a letter from the General Hospital here in L.A. for information so I wanted to put you wise if they should write you. I stayed a week in these springs and did not help me a bit so these folks that I came over with came down and got me a permit to have treatment or anything that needs to be done in the L.A. County Hospital. The Dr examined me and finds a lot of things wrong so I'm going in the 11th. I don't know if they will operate or not. I surely hope they will soon fix me some up, as I'm in misery, can't hardly walk and ache all the time. Take asprin but they don't help much. I had to lie like the dickens. Told them I lived here with these folks, didn't know where Edgar was, hadn't seen him for 4 or 5 years and that you were taking care of the boys. You see you have to be a resident of Calif for 5 years or they won't take you. So if they write just write them that I'm here in L.A. with relatives and you support the boys and don't know where Edgar is. How are Bill and Ginger. They might write. Will quit, will write later.
Love to you all
Bess Hall
Gen Delivery
Los angles
Don't tell any body down there that I'm in a county hospital."

Edgar went back to El Paso. His mother was still living in Vinton. She passed away 5 July 1935 in El Paso.34

Edgar met and married Erna Fruenenber Calisch Jordan on 9 October 1935.35 She had been working in an El Paso hotel. Some interesting facts about Erna. She was called Bobbie. She was born 8 September 1901 in New Mexico. Erna was raised in El Paso after the age age 14 when she was orphaned. She married a family member from Montoya NM, Stanley Calisch, in 1918, in El Paso. But by 1930, the couple separated and Stanley's parents were raising their two children. Erna was exiled from the family.36 She then married William Jordan on 28 December 1931 and they divorced.

Edgar and Erna moved to San Diego, California. Erna operated a hotel there and Edgar worked for Ryan Aircraft.37

Edgar and his son, Ginger in front of the hotel where Edgar lived in San Diego, abt 1940

Edgar and Bobbie

Edgar died of throat cancer on 8 August 195538 and Bobby died on 28 March 1955 in San Diego, California.39

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 1:Birth: Edgar James Hawkins; State of Missouri, City of St. Louis Department of Health and Hospitals; Certificate #10178.
 2:Marriage: State of Missouri, City of St. Louis; #30629; Book 36; Page 621
 3:Directory: Gould's St Louis Directory of residents and classified business directory for years 1881-1883.
 4:British Census 1881: RG11/2208; Folio 29; Page 52; FHL Film 1341532.
 5:World's Columbian Exposition of 1893 and the St. Louis Exposition of 1904 were after the death of John Hawkins who died in 1892.
 6:Death: Certified Copy of Death Certificate of John Hawkins, City of St. Louis, Bureau of Vital Statistics, Application #081401036; Certificate #5756, No of Certificate 5731.
 7:Directory: Gould's St Louis Directory of residents and classified business directory for 1893-1897.
 9:US Federal Census: 1880 Saint Louis, Saint Louis, Missouri; Roll T9_719; Family History Film: 1254719; Page: 308.1000; Enumeration District: 54; Image: 0616.
10:Death: The Waterways Journal, The Death of Capt. James C. Coghill June 23, 1894, p. 8.and Death: St. Louis City Death Records,1850-1908; Minerva J. Coghill; Volume 14; Missouri Archive C10380; County Library RDSL23
11:Birth: Death Certificate of James T. Hall, Texas Bureau of Vital Statistics; Reg #32532; Form D.
12:U.S. City Directories > Missouri > St Joseph > 1898-1899 > Combe Printing Co's Directory of St Joseph and Buchanan County 1898
13:Marriage: Copy of Certificate given by William C. Hall family.
14:Newspaper: The Quincy Daily Journal; "To Be Married in St. Louis;" Date: January 17, 1899; Page:18
15:Death: Evergreen Cemeteries and Mausoleum, 4301 Alameda Ave., El Paso, Texas; Section P, Lot 87; grave #1.
16:Personal Information: Story of James Oscar Hall written by himself
17:The Mines Handook, A Manual of the Mining Industry of the World by Walter Harvey Weed, E.M. Vol XIV, 1920
18:Personal Information: Story of James Oscar Hall written by himself
19:Newspaper: The Quincy Daily Whig: "Lew Hall Will Remain in Quincy;" Date: December 7, 1901: Page 5.
20:Adoption: Probate Court of Grant County, Silver City, Territory of New Mexico; Judge C. Bennett; #185; In the Matter of the Adoption of Edgar James Hawkins, Book 6; pages 520-523; August 30, 1910.
21:Us Federal Census 1920: Justice Precinct 6, El Paso, Texas; Roll T625_1799; Page: 17A; Enumeration District: 98; Image: 1096.
22:FamilySearch International Genealogical index v5.0, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Web Site), www.FamilySearch.org.. Edgar James Hall Marriage: 15 May 1912, El Paso, El Paso, Texas Accessed 21 May 2006, 5:00 pm SMT by Janice Hartman
23:Newspaper: The Quincy Daily Journal; "Gossip about Town"; Date: April 8, 1916; Page:2
24:Personal information: In possession of Janice Hartman
25:Personal Information: Story of James Oscar Hall written by himself
27:US Federal Census 1920: Justice Precinct 6, El Paso, Texas; Roll T625_1799; Page: 17A; Enumeration District: 98; Image: 1096.
28:Death: James T. Hall, Texas Bureau of Vital Statistics; Reg #32532; Form D.
29:US Federal Census: 1880 Saint Louis, Saint Louis, Missouri; Roll T9_719; Family History Film: 1254719; Page: 308.1000; Enumeration District: 54; Image: 0616.
30:US Federal Census: 1930 Ajo, Pima, Arizona; Roll 61; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 69; Image: 45.0.
31:Personal Information: Story of James Oscar Hall written by himself
32:Death: Bessie May Lipps: Los Angles, California; October 21, 1933
33:Letter: July 4, 1933;In possession of Janice Hartman
34:Death: Lillie M. Hall, El Paso, Texas
35:Marriage: Edgar J. Hall & Erna Jordan; Marriage Book No. 24; Page 1452.
36:E-Mail: May 6, 2009; Sharon Fried (Researching line connected to Freudenberg.
37:Personal Information from AnnaLee Hall who stayed at the hotel in 1940's.
38:Death: Edgar James Hall; California Death Index, 1940-1997; SS No. 527143234.
39:Death: Erna Hall; California Deaths Database, 1940-2000; SS No. 571221071

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